9/14/99 Ancestral Digs Conference Room The Genealogy Forum at America On Line 9:PM Eastern Time. Louisiana Research GFS Angela: GOOD EVENING EVERYONE!!!! \Welcome to a special event this evening. Our formal presentation will begin in about 4 minutes. we are all excited about hearing about the work of Dr. Hall. GHall1929: Hello. Happy to be here. Thanks for the invite GFS Alva: Hello Dr. Hall, Welcome ! GFS VKN: Hello Dr Hall !!! DebbienVA: Good evening Dr. Hall Selma's computer is not working, so she will be on the phone with me, and I will transmit Selma is on the phone, and says to tell Dr. Hall, who she met at the Slavery Conf, hello GHall1929: Hi, Selma. The conference at Williamsburg? DebbienVA: Yes, she met you there . GHall1929: Hello, hello, delighted to be here Thanks for inviting me* GFS Angela: I think we are almost ready to begin our presentation for the evening.We are most fortunate to have a special visitor among us. Some of you especially those of you who research Colonial Louisiana, and St. Domingue may already be familiar with her work. We are fortunate to have among us he creator of an amazing new CD about to be released to the public in October. In advance of that event Dr. Gwen Hall has agreed to come and to visit our chat room to speak about her research. GFS Alva will tell you a few things about Dr. Hall. Afterwards I shall ask a few questions to her, and then we shall open the floor for any questions that you may have as researchers. GFS Alva----the floor is yours. GFS Alva: It is my very great privilege and pleasure to introduce Professor Gwendolyn Midlo Hall !!!!! Dr. Hall is a graduate of Tulane, and rec'd her Masters from he University of the Americas, and doctorate from Univ of Michigan. She has taught and lectured at several universities, most recently at Rutgers in N. Jersey. Most probably the most familiar book of hers to our group of researchers is: Africans in Colonial Louisiana: Development of Afro-Creole Culture in the 18th Century". But she has several other books that we should sample, such as: "Social Control in Slave Plantation Societies- A Comparison of St. Domingue and Cuba" !! Dr. Hall has a brand new CD of Louisiana slaves coming out with almost 100,000 names of slaves! A number of African "nations" will be listed as a point of origin for some of these slaves, and many arrived in Louisiana from the East Coast! Time period covered is 1719-1820!!! This CD will be of inestimable value to researchers. She also has a new book coming out in 2000!! which we are looking forward to. Please welcome WARMLY..... Dr. Gwen Hall. ... GFS Angela: Thank you Alva!!! GHall1929: Correction - there are about 104,000 records, almost all of them with names of slaves linked to names of masters, And almost 10,000 give the African ethnicity of the slaves. It is very early, so it will take a lot of research for researchers to go back that far But it is the only way to link with specific African nations. GFS Angela: Dr. Hall before we begin, I have a few questions that I would like to ask you directly before we open the floor to the room for direct questions. GFS Angela: 1. You have a fascinating background in history having written a book on Africans in Colonial Louisiana. How did this interest develop? GHall1929: I was born in New Orleans in 1929 Grew up during the Great Depression My father was the only lawyer in the state Who would accept police brutality complaints by black folks I spent my childhood hearing all about it And was horrified by the environment of those days And I thought maybe studying history could help me understand What was going on around me I didn't like the history I was being taught So I decided to study and write my own. When I was studying the Pointe Coupee conspiracy testimony I saw that some of the slaves testifying had Identified their African nations So I started to look at other documents in the courthouse in Pointe Coupee Parish And found a lot of African nations identified And African names as well So I created this database about 15 years ago And have been expanding it and developing it ever since.* GFS Angela: You began to collect the names for the CD years ago? How long did the process actually take to compile the data? GHall1929: Yes. Began in 1984. And part of this went into Africans in Colonial LA. It took 15 years, including at least 6 years full time work for me And I had some help from research assistants while I had a grant From the National Endowment for the Humanities It was a massive project* GFS Angela: As a professional you are a historian more than a genealogist. When did you see the genealogical value of the data? GHall1929: I'm not really a genealogist But I worked at the Mormon Branch Library while researching Africans in Colonial Louisiana And realized how dedicated genealogists are I usually found a lot more genealogists in historical archives and in courthouses than historians And I've learned to respect genealogists* GFS Angela: How many persons worked with you to compile the data? Or was this a lone venture? GHall1929: One Tulane graduate student, Phil MacLeod Worked on the project for about 3 years full time He is now Latin American bibliographer At the Latin American Library at Tulane There were others who worked for shorter periods of time Greg Osborne came from Los Angeles when the NEH project started And he worked full time on it for about a year He now works at the Louisiana Room of the New Orleans Public Library. He is a walking encyclopedia of free people of color under slavery in Louisiana I sometimes had a hard time getting him to stop researching his own family On my time But I really appreciate his dedication. He is a very active and knowledgeable genealogist Ulysse Ricard worked for most of a full year on the project When it started. He was also a dedicated genealogist And a brilliant linguist. He and I were the only ones Who could read both the French and the Spanish documents He was given a year's leave of absence from the Amistad Research Center, where he was chief archivist. Unfortunately, he got very sick almost as soon as the project started And he died 2 years later. He was almost blind throughout that whole first year It was tragic: a brilliant young man The CD is dedicated to his memory GHall1929: There were a few other researchers who worked for shorter periods Mabel Macias, a Cuban-American, worked for almost a year And she did excellent work. There were 2 other people who each worked for a few weeks Over the summers The vast majority of the documents were in French Many others were in Spanish And the rest in English Last spring I translated all the comments, skills, illnesses, etc. into English so the database can be read easily* GFS Angela: How far back in Louisiana history do your records extend? GHall1929: They begin with 1719. Those are all Atlantic Slave Trade ships And do not have names of slaves, only the numbers of slaves on each voyage, where it came from And sometimes age categories like child or adult, and gender. Then by 1723 we have some slaves recorded in civil documents Like sales, testimony of slaves in court cases And estate inventories. About one-third were slaves listed on estate inventories There are over 1,000 records about runaway slaves And 575 testimony by slaves Most of the documents are sales or individual slaves Or groups of slaves And over 4,000 are emancipations of slaves Masters are listed for inventories Sellers and buyers are listed as well As are family relationships among slaves The database covers all parishes of Louisiana which existed Through 1820. There is a map on the CD so you can locate these parishes.* GFS Angela: Were private collections used and was there any resistance from anyone in your use of this information? GHall1929: No. They were all public documents Found in archives, but mainly in courthouses Throughout the state. The greatest resistance was an arson fire. In the courthouse in Pointe Coupee. After Africans in Colonial Louisiana came out Because it showed the level of racial passing Among "white" families. But fortunately the Mormons had all the documents On microfilm, anyway.* GFS Angela: One final question---an important one---- When and where can the CD be purchased and for how much? GHall1929: The easiest way is on Amazon.com. Type in my name under author And you can order it . GFS Angela: What is the official title? GHall1929: Databases for the Study of Afro-Louisiana History & Genealogy It costs $45. I insisted on a low price So people could afford to buy it and play with it To find their ancestors. But it will be used by scholars, too Because there is a lot of information in there. For linguists as well as for historians. I did all the technical work myself I got support for the research From the French and the Spanish Ministries of Culture Because they were very interested in the documents in the United States in their languages. So that's why I could keep the price down.* GFS Angela: I am sure that many people have questions. We shall allow our members to ask question. Please indicate your question with the symbol "?" ....and all comments please indicate with the symbol " ! " You will be called in order. GFS Alva will monitor the queue. DebbienVA: (These are Selma's questions.) How can you use your CD with the Transatlantic Slave Trade database? Are the slaves directly from Africa or by way of other slaving countries? GHall1929: I have an article coming out Which links my database with the Atlantic Slave Trade Database Comparing origins shown on this database. And my own research about Atlantic slave trade voyages to Louisiana With the "nations" of slaves listed in Louisiana documents. Over time and place. The African slaves were almost all directly from Africa But for those who spent some time elsewhere There is a field called VIA Which shows where they came from after Africa and before Louisiana If they actually lived elsewhere Almost all the slaves transshipped from the Caribbean Had just arrived from Africa It shows origins from the English states as well And the few who were born in the Caribbean It shows which island.* Bradld: Will the CD give first names, surnames and ages? GHall1929: Yes, it has first, last names, genders, ages, and status EG., there is a field that shows If there was a free person of African descent Involved as master, buyer, seller, or the deceased In probate documents.* Aadancer2: Was the Pointe Coupee conspiracy the fire you mentioned?" GHall1929: The fire was of the beautiful colonial documents GHall1929: Bound in books. they were so badly charred That no one is allowed to touch them It included the Pointe Coupee Conspiracy documents But I have a xerox of them. At my collection at the Amistad Research Center. There are databases and spreadsheets By Paul LaChance and by Jeffrey & Virginia Gould as well On the CD LaChance has censuses, mainly from the French period. Gould has Pensacola and Mobile censuses as well I have the 1778 Census databased for New orleans Which I databased directly in the Archives in Seville From the original manuscript census.* DebbienVA: Selma wants to know how many slaves were imported to LA between 1719-1820? GHall1929: We have to guess - There are over 8,000 slaves on the database Who arrived via Atlantic slave trade voyages, And about 2500 thru transshipment from the Caribbean, But there had to be more than that. We simply don't have all the documents Besides, there was a lot of smuggling in of Africans After the African slave trade was outlawed. This is a problem in historical demography Which we are talking about, but no clear solution is available.* GFS VKN: Dr. Hall what are the Nations of origin of the 10,000 identified ethnics ? GHall1929: The main ones were" Bambara, Mandinga, Fulbe, Moor, Wolof Kisi, Canga, Fon (Dahomey), Mina (from Togo), Konkomba (Bight of Benin), Hausa, Yoruba, Congo, and Makua There were many other "nations" but in very small numbers. Usually only one or two. I have a list of numbers and percentages. Of Africans of various nations. In an HTML file Which I can send out over the web. With all the names of slaves and masters, buyers, sellers, freers.* GFS Angela: Let me note that the data will be available soon on the WEB. VKN has received the file. Aadancer2: Do you know of anyone doing your type of work in the Caribbean? And thanks for answering. GHall1929: There is work done in Cuba But I don't think it has been databased. There is a Costa Rican historian, Rima Caceres Who is helping organize some Caribbean and Latin American projects. She will be at the conference at Howard University This Friday and Saturday where I will be speaking And we expect to start scheming. About standardizing the databases being developed In Latin America and the Caribbean.* CREATVCNCP: Valencia and others, this demonstrates why I am going after a grant. It really helps to have funding to help with the research and resources. Dr. Hall, Someone mentioned earlier that you had written a book on social structures of Slavery on Carribean plantations. Do you draw any parallels between those and the "caste system" on antebellum plantations in Deep South??? GHall1929: I made a few remarks at the end of the book That's a big question And a very interesting one. Which I can't go into here. CREATVCNCP: It's a big issue! :-) GHall1929: But a lot was implied in the book you mentioned Which discusses how slave systems changed over time Depending on prevailing conditions And the impact of the slaves themselves Rather than the way the history is usually dealt with. Assuming that all power was in the hands of the masters. And the slave system depended entirely upon their benevolence. Especially I argued against the myth. That the Spanish slave system was mild.* Rostew: Do you have an estimate of the numbers of Africans who left Louisana and went to other states GHall1929: That's a little late for the time I researched. Most slaves were coming into Louisiana from the East Coast. And some of them were being shipped out to Miss & AL as well as upstate and northwest LA during that time. I do have a field (as you might guess) which shows Where the master they were sold to lived. and where the seller lived as well. But that is, of course, only partial information. GFS VKN: Dr. Hall in summary what do you identify as your most significant findings? GHall1929: African "nations" of origin and their clustering by time, place and language group. I'll send you a copy of my essay when it is finished. GFS Angela: Why don't we formally end the Q & A and thank Dr. Hall while we can do so with full enthusiasm. I am sure that she will remain to take further questions. Thank you so very very much or visiting our chat, Dr. Hall!!! I mentioned to a colleague that I don't even research Louisiana and I intend to purchase the CD. GHall1929: Surely, one of your ancestors was from LA If you go far back enough. Right?* Rostew: This will surely inspire us all to renew the search for the African ancestor. CREATVCNCP: Mine were more like AOG (All Over GA), Dr. Hall! :-) Rostew: Look... we must all purchase the CD, then utilize the method and collect data from our own localities. GHall1929: Hi, Rostew! I remember our great times in Chicago a few years back.Tell all my friends there hello.* Rostew: It's great to "see" you again, GHALL!!! I will do so GFS VKN: applause Applause!!! GFS Angela: thank you thank you thank you!!! GFS Angela: clap clap clap clap clap !!!!!!!!!!!!! GFS Alva: clap clap clap clap clap..... this was WONDERFUL !! DebbienVA: CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!!!!!!!! JazzyG4202: {{{{{{{APPLAUSE!!!}}}}}} GFS Marol: Absolutely Wonderful! JArrin1056: Thanks! Otey50: Presentation was thoroughly enjoyed!! Rostew: Clap Clap Clap Clap !!!!!!!!!!! Clap.!!!!!1 GFHVee: CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!!!CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!! CLAP!!!!!!!! GFS Angela: fantastic presentation!!!!!!!!!!! MaryT73352: Thank you!! GHall1929: Thanks all of you. I really enjoyed it.* DParmerwoo: Can we get a copy of the chat? Signed in late! GFS Angela: no problem DParmerwoo. We shall post the interview in a future newsletter!!! DebbienVA: Dr. Hall, what are your future research plans? GHall1929: Finishing an article called "Africans After the Atlantic Slave Trade:Randomized, Fragmented, or Clustered?" which argues for continuity of African communities From calculations on the database. DebbienVA: Where will it be published? GHall1929: I have a book under contact with Univ. of NC Press. GFS Alva: Dr. Hall, Can you tell us a little about your upcoming book? GHall1929: Called Race & Ethnicity, Slavery & Freedom: a Comparison of French, Spanish, and Early American LA (1719-1820). But I'm speaking a lot these days and I need to stop doing this So I can finish the book. Now that the database is finished hope to have the next book done soon then in about a decade, maybe I can retire from retirement!* GFS Angela: Oh no, never retire, your work is much needed!!! GHall1929: It will cover all of Louisiana through 1820 And uses the database a lot.* Otey50: Dr. Hall, any presentations planned for Nashville, TN? GHall1929: NO. Rostew: But we need to hear you too... ... GFS Alva: Los Angeles ? GHall1929: NO DebbienVA: Will you come to Virginia--like William & Mary first? MNHWMAS: San Diego ? GFS Angela: or Baltimore? GFS Angela: And where will you be in DC? GHall1929: NO PLANS. I'm staying at the Holiday Inn Downtown and speaking at Howard Univ. This Friday morning. HJones4963: Where will you be appearing in the coming months, in order. GHall1929: I'm then speaking in Baton Rouge, then New York City, then Toronto, then New Orleans at Dillard Univer by mid-November.* CREATVCNCP: Dr. Hall, you mentioned your father and his impact upon you at the beginning of the chat. Would you describe him as sort of an Atticus Finch in "To Kill A Mockingbird?" GHall1929: I guess there are some parallels with Atticus Finch and my father. CREATVCNCP: t appears that he gave you a strong social conscience! GHall1929: Yes, he did. It runs in the family, right Haywood? I think my son, Dr. Haywood Hall, is in this chat. MNHWMAS: Dr Hall I recently found a possible family connection to the 1811 Slave Revolt in Louisiana. would you have any information about the slaves that participated. GHall1929: All those involved in this revolt are recorded in the CD GFS Angela: Well Folks... the hour is winding down unfortunately. We have had an incredible evening. We shall bring this session to a formal close. As you know we will be here next week same time, same station..... you are all welcome to stay and chat.... but I am sure that our presenter must be worn from all of that typing, too. We cannot tell you how much your presence here is appreciated. Moreover, THANK YOU for the dedication to this 5 year effort and for sharing it with the world. Many descendants will be forever appreciative of your work. GFS VKN: Thanx so much again and again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DebbienVA: Thank you, thank you, thank you GFS Alva: this has been truly wonderful !!! thank you Dr. Hall Rostew: Yes, thank you for that great presentation. GFS Angela: Dr. Hall thank you again!!!!! GHall1929: Thank all of you. It was great!!! Yall are doing a great job!!! DebbienVA: This was absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much. This will be topped off with Gordon-Reed and Ira Berlin this weekend. GFS Alva: WOW.... what a week !! GFS Angela: Debbie, where are they speaking? DebbienVA: It doesn't get any better than this. Sorry about not being at Howard U DebbienVA: they're at the Mariner's Museum GFS Alva: Good luck to all you guys in harm's way...hurricane... GFS Alva: will say some prayers for you! GFS VKN: Yes do take care!!!!!! GFS Angela: Good night to everyone. GFS Angela: Thanks for coming. GFS Angela: Our formal event has closed. GFS Angela: Have a good evening Dr. Hall. GHall1929: GOOD EVENING TO ALL OF YOU>AND THANKS AGAIN!!! GFS Angela: Logs closed.
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